Did he or didn't he? It’s hard to believe what Warren alleges about Bernie

Yesterday, Bernie Sanders's campaign went negative against Elizabeth Warren.  Today, it was Elizabeth Warren's turn to go negative against Bernie.  The Warren campaign is accusing Bernie of having told Warren, during a private meeting, that a woman could never win the presidency.

As proof of the statement, the Warren campaign offers herself, two people to whom she spoke after the meeting, "and two people familiar with the meeting," whatever that means.  They weren't participants, or the Warren and media would say so.  That means they too have only hearsay knowledge of what Warren, speaking through CNN, claims took place:

The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren's apartment in Washington, DC, one evening in December 2018. The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.

The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.

Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.

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That evening, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics, according to one of the people familiar with the conversation. Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.

Sanders, of course, denies absolutely that he ever said such a thing:

"It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders said. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016."

Nobody has ever argued that Bernie is the brightest bulb in the box.  Indeed, anyone who can still support socialism despite having been alive for World War II (National Socialists); the creation of North Korea's police state; China's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution; and the long, brutal Soviet trek through Eastern Europe is arguably remarkably stupid.

Nevertheless, as Bernie showed in 2016 and again in this campaign season, he understands quite well how the American political system operates.  He knew in 2018 that Elizabeth Warren could well be his opponent in the 2020 election.  To believe that he would tell her something that must destroy his chances with female voters is to believe either that he is even more stupid than his political ideology indicates or that he had a massive brain disconnect during which all reason fled — or that Elizabeth Warren is a reliable source.

When asking yourself whether Elizabeth Warren is a reliable source, remember that we are speaking about Elizabeth "I'm an Indian" Warren; Elizabeth "I couldn't get work because I was pregnant" Warren; Elizabeth "I promise to fill my full 2018 term if I'm elected to the Senate" Warren; Elizabeth "Of course my children attended public school" Warren; and Elizabeth "My father was a janitor" Warren.

To put it tactfully, Warren is prone to flights of fantasy.  Considering that she's struggling to gain a foothold at the top of the Democrat primary, would Warren lie to trigger the feminism card?  We'll let you supply your own answer to that question.

On this one, much as we dislike him, we suspect that Bernie may be on the side of the angels (or whatever communists have instead of angels).  He's a lot of things, but he's not a habitual liar.

Yesterday, Bernie Sanders's campaign went negative against Elizabeth Warren.  Today, it was Elizabeth Warren's turn to go negative against Bernie.  The Warren campaign is accusing Bernie of having told Warren, during a private meeting, that a woman could never win the presidency.

As proof of the statement, the Warren campaign offers herself, two people to whom she spoke after the meeting, "and two people familiar with the meeting," whatever that means.  They weren't participants, or the Warren and media would say so.  That means they too have only hearsay knowledge of what Warren, speaking through CNN, claims took place:

The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren's apartment in Washington, DC, one evening in December 2018. The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.

The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.

Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.

[snip]

That evening, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics, according to one of the people familiar with the conversation. Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.

Sanders, of course, denies absolutely that he ever said such a thing:

"It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders said. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016."

Nobody has ever argued that Bernie is the brightest bulb in the box.  Indeed, anyone who can still support socialism despite having been alive for World War II (National Socialists); the creation of North Korea's police state; China's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution; and the long, brutal Soviet trek through Eastern Europe is arguably remarkably stupid.

Nevertheless, as Bernie showed in 2016 and again in this campaign season, he understands quite well how the American political system operates.  He knew in 2018 that Elizabeth Warren could well be his opponent in the 2020 election.  To believe that he would tell her something that must destroy his chances with female voters is to believe either that he is even more stupid than his political ideology indicates or that he had a massive brain disconnect during which all reason fled — or that Elizabeth Warren is a reliable source.

When asking yourself whether Elizabeth Warren is a reliable source, remember that we are speaking about Elizabeth "I'm an Indian" Warren; Elizabeth "I couldn't get work because I was pregnant" Warren; Elizabeth "I promise to fill my full 2018 term if I'm elected to the Senate" Warren; Elizabeth "Of course my children attended public school" Warren; and Elizabeth "My father was a janitor" Warren.

To put it tactfully, Warren is prone to flights of fantasy.  Considering that she's struggling to gain a foothold at the top of the Democrat primary, would Warren lie to trigger the feminism card?  We'll let you supply your own answer to that question.

On this one, much as we dislike him, we suspect that Bernie may be on the side of the angels (or whatever communists have instead of angels).  He's a lot of things, but he's not a habitual liar.